ASML Holding N.V. (ASML.AS) has adjusted its 2025 income expectations to EUR 30 billion to EUR 35 billion, citing a slower restoration in conventional markets and a normalization of China gross sales. The corporate reported sturdy Q3 2024 outcomes however cautioned about future progress.
Key Takeaways:
• Q3 2024 whole web gross sales: EUR 7.5 billion
• Q3 2024 gross margin: 50.8%
• This autumn 2024 projected web gross sales: EUR 8.8 billion to EUR 9.2 billion
• 2025 income forecast adjusted to EUR 30 billion to EUR 35 billion
• China gross sales anticipated to normalize to about 20% of whole income
Firm Outlook
• Revised 2025 gross margin expectation: 51% to 53%
• Operational bills for 2025 projected at higher finish of EUR 5.6 billion to EUR 6.1 billion
• Anticipates decline in DUV income in 2024, offset by progress in non-China phase
• EUV shipments anticipated to be pushed into 2026 as a result of buyer delays
Bearish Highlights
• Slower restoration in conventional markets (smartphones and PCs)
• Normalization of China demand
• Some orders pushed out to 2026
• Decrease rapid demand resulting in lowered short-term investments
Bullish Highlights
• Robust demand for AI-related functions
• Rising curiosity in Excessive NA expertise
• Wholesome double-digit progress projected for put in base administration in 2025
• Strong demand for non-Chinese language DUV expertise
Misses
• 2025 income forecast lowered as a result of materialized dangers and uncertainties
• Gross margin expectations for 2025 decrease than earlier forecasts
Q&A Highlights
• Extra EUR 2 billion in orders wanted by year-end to fulfill revised steerage midpoint
• Low NA EUV instrument ASPs anticipated to be above EUR 200 million however beneath EUR 240 million
• Excessive NA machine ASPs projected to exceed EUR 350 million
ASML Holding N.V. reported sturdy Q3 2024 outcomes however has revised its outlook for 2025, citing slower market restoration and normalization of China gross sales. The corporate’s whole web gross sales for Q3 2024 reached EUR 7.5 billion, exceeding steerage, with a gross margin of fifty.8%.
Looking forward to 2025, ASML adjusted its income expectations to EUR 30 billion to EUR 35 billion, down from earlier forecasts. This revision displays a slower restoration in conventional markets and an anticipated normalization of China gross sales to about 20% of whole income. The corporate additionally lowered its 2025 gross margin expectation to between 51% and 53%.
Regardless of these changes, ASML stays optimistic about long-term progress drivers, significantly in AI and semiconductor functions. The corporate famous sturdy demand for AI-related functions and rising curiosity in Excessive NA expertise amongst prospects.
ASML expects a decline in DUV income in 2024, offset by progress within the non-China phase. EUV shipments are anticipated to be pushed into 2026 as a result of buyer delays in fab development, influenced by demand restoration and aggressive dynamics in logic markets.
The corporate’s put in base enterprise is projected to develop healthily in 2025, regardless of a one-off income spike in This autumn 2023. ASML plans to take care of R&D funding ranges regardless of wage inflation pressures.
Through the Q&A session, executives addressed considerations in regards to the Chinese language market and aggressive dynamics. Additionally they clarified that to fulfill the midpoint of the revised steerage, the corporate requires an extra EUR 2 billion in orders by the tip of the yr.
ASML will present additional insights and an in depth market evaluation at its upcoming Investor Day on November 14, 2024.
InvestingPro Insights
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Regardless of the short-term challenges, ASML stays a outstanding participant within the Semiconductors & Semiconductor Tools business. The corporate’s monetary well being seems strong, with an InvestingPro Tip indicating that money flows can sufficiently cowl curiosity funds. This monetary stability is essential as ASML navigates by the present market uncertainties.
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It is value noting that ASML has maintained dividend funds for 18 consecutive years, demonstrating a dedication to shareholder returns even in difficult occasions. The present dividend yield is 0.77%, with a dividend progress of 8.84% over the past twelve months.
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Full transcript – ASML Holding NV ADR (AS:) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good day, and thanks for standing by. Welcome to the ASML 2024 Third Quarter Monetary Outcomes Convention Name on October 16, 2024. At the moment, all contributors are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker’s introduction, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be suggested that immediately convention is being recorded. I’d now like at hand the convention name over to Mr. Skip Miller. Please go forward.
Skip Miller: Thanks, operator. Welcome, everybody. That is Skip Miller, Vice President of Investor Relations at ASML. Becoming a member of me immediately on the decision are ASML’s CEO, Christophe Fouquet; and our CFO, Roger Dassen. The topic of immediately’s name is ASML’s 2024 third quarter outcomes. The size of this name can be 60 minutes and questions will take within the order that they’re acquired. This name can be being broadcast stay over the Web at asml.com. A transcript of administration’s opening remarks and a replay of the decision can be out there on our web site shortly following the conclusion of this name. Earlier than we start, I might wish to warning listeners that feedback made by administration throughout this convention name will embody forward-looking statements throughout the that means of the Federal Securities Legal guidelines. These forward-looking statements contain materials dangers and uncertainties. For a dialogue of threat elements, I encourage you to assessment the Protected Harbor assertion contained in immediately’s press launch and presentation discovered on our web site at asml.com and in ASML’s annual report on Type 20-F and different paperwork as filed with the Securities and Alternate Fee. With that, I might like to show the decision over to Christophe Fouquet for a quick introduction.
Christophe Fouquet: Thanks, Skip. Welcome everybody and thanks for becoming a member of us for our third quarter 2024 outcomes convention name. First, let me apologize for the confusion yesterday after the early public listening to of our press launch as a result of a technical error. Notably given the intense nature of the important thing messages we needed to ship and focus on with you, this was essential. Earlier than we start the Q&A session, Roger and I want to present an summary and a few commentaries on the third quarter 2024, in addition to present some further feedback on the present enterprise environments and on our future enterprise outlook. Roger?
Roger Dassen: Thanks, Christophe, and welcome, everybody. I’ll first assessment the third quarter 2024 monetary accomplishments after which present steerage on the fourth quarter of 2024. Let me begin with our third quarter accomplishments. Whole web gross sales got here in at EUR7.5 billion which is above the excessive finish of our steerage pushed by extra DEEP UV system gross sales in addition to increased put in base administration gross sales. Web gross sales got here in at EUR5.9 billion which is made up of EUR2.1 billion of EUV gross sales and EUR3.8 billion of non-EUV gross sales. Web system gross sales was pushed by logic at 64%, with the remaining 36% coming from reminiscence. Put in Base Administration gross sales for the quarter got here in above steerage at EUR1.54 billion as a result of increased service and improve income. Gross margin for the quarter got here in inside steerage of fifty.8%. On working bills, R&D bills got here in barely beneath steerage at EUR1.06 billion whereas SG&A bills got here in as guided at EUR297 million. In Q3 was EUR2.1 billion representing 27.8% of whole web gross sales and leading to an EPS of EUR5.28. Turning to the stability sheet. We ended the third quarter with money, money equivalents and short-term investments at a degree of EUR5.0 billion much like final quarter. We ended Q3 with a free money movement of EUR534 million which is considerably improved relative to final quarter. Nevertheless, as talked about final quarter, there continued to be stress on free money movement. That is primarily as a result of a comparatively decrease degree of order consumption and due to this fact much less down funds in addition to increased stock degree. The upper stock degree is primarily attributable to EUV, each Excessive NA and Low NA pushed by longer lead occasions within the construct cycle in addition to stock in assist of future ramp. Transferring to the order ebook. Q3 web system bookings got here in at EUR2.6 billion which is made up of EUR1.4 billion of EUV bookings and EUR1.2 billion of non-EUV bookings. Web system bookings within the quarter was kind of balanced between reminiscence at 54% and logic at 46% of bookings. The comparatively low order consumption is a mirrored image of the gradual restoration within the conventional finish markets as prospects stay cautious within the present setting. On the finish of Q3 2024, we completed with a backlog of over EUR36 billion. With that, I want to flip to our expectations for the fourth quarter of 2024. We anticipate This autumn whole web gross sales to be between EUR8.8 billion and EUR9.2 billion. We anticipate our This autumn put in base administration gross sales to be round EUR1.9 billion. Gross margin for This autumn is anticipated to be between 49% and 50%. I want to make just a few feedback on the This autumn steerage. Web gross sales embody the anticipated income recognition of two Excessive NA programs. Put in base administration income is increased than Q3, primarily because of attaining particular EUV efficiency milestones and a few EUV productiveness upgrades. Though This autumn income is increased than Q3, gross margin is anticipated to be barely decrease than Q3 because the constructive affect from the upper improve income is greater than offset by the dilutive gross margin affect from the anticipated income recognition of the 2 Excessive NA programs. For the quarter, the dilutive impact thereof on the gross margin is roughly 3.5%. Based mostly on the This autumn steerage, we anticipate 2024 income at round EUR28 billion with a gross margin of round 50.6%, which is barely decrease than 2023 as anticipated. The anticipated R&D bills for This autumn are round EUR1,090 million and SG&A is anticipated to be round EUR300 million. Our estimated 2024 annualized efficient tax price is anticipated to be between 16% and 17%. In Q3, ASML paid the primary quarterly interim dividend over 2024 of EUR1.52 per abnormal share. The second quarterly interim dividend over 2024 can be EUR1.52 per abnormal share and can be made payable on November 7, 2024. In Q3, 2024, no shares had been bought. With that, I want to flip the decision again over to you, Christophe.
Christophe Fouquet: Thanks, Roger. As Roger highlighted, it was a stable monetary quarter, however there have been additionally various market dynamics within the quarter. Beginning with our expertise, we proceed to make good progress on each our new EUV merchandise. On our Low NA expertise, we proceed to ramp the NXE:3800E system this quarter with EUV prospects now quickly shifting to this new mannequin as a result of its increased efficiency, together with over 37% enchancment in throughput in comparison with the NXE:3600D. We’ve now demonstrated the total 220 wafer per hour throughput on the new file overlay in our manufacturing unit, and we’re on-track to ship full specification system with new system cargo and upgrades from the start of subsequent yr. As buyer transition to the NXE:3800E, the vast majority of shipments in This autumn are the NXE:3800E programs. Relating to Excessive NA, the 2 shipped system at the moment are exposing wafers at our buyer and we anticipate to acknowledge the income from the system by the tip of the yr. The primary system is within the means of being shipped to a second main buyer. Momentum continues to develop with round 10,000 wafers now uncovered from a number of logic and reminiscence prospects utilizing the Excessive NA system within the joint ASML-imec Excessive NA lab and the programs within the subject. On the latest lithography convention, we printed new Excessive NA knowledge exhibiting main efficiency advantages in imaging overlay and distinction. These advantages additionally point out a significant-cost discount alternatives for each logic and DRAM prospects. As a reminder of the worth Excessive NA supplies, we’ve got demonstrated the system potential to print options at decision of 8 nanometer, in comparison with a Low NA system, this symbolize an enchancment to almost 3x in transistor density per publicity. All-in-all, we’ve got seen continued momentum EUV expertise and we’re progressing effectively relative to buyer expectations. Close to market situation, whereas we proceed to view AI as a key driver of the business restoration with potential upside, we see different segments recovering extra slowly than anticipated. The restoration will prolong effectively into 2025, which is resulting in buyer cautiousness and a few push outs of their funding. In logic, the gradual restoration of finish markets corresponding to cellular and PC, along with particular aggressive foundry dynamics, as resulted in a slower ramp of recent nodes at sure buyer who’re as a outcomes pushing out a few of their fabs and altering their litho demand timing. In reminiscence, the slower market restoration can be leading to restricted capability addition with the main target nonetheless on expertise transition, supporting the excessive bandwidth reminiscence and DDR5 AI associated demand. And at last, we anticipate the China enterprise to return to a extra normalized share of our enterprise in line share of China enterprise in our backlog. In abstract, whereas the long-term tendencies are nonetheless very sturdy and constructive, the developments over the previous few months mixed with buyer particular circumstances has led to a lowered progress curve in 2025 and an over general discount of our lithography demand. Attributable to this dynamics over the past quarter, we felt it’s going to be acceptable to make some feedback on 2025 right now versus ready till our Investor Day subsequent month. With that, I’ll flip it again over to Roger.
Roger Dassen: Thanks, Christophe. And as we mentioned in our Investor Day in 2022, we offered market situations for 2025 of between EUR30 billion and EUR40 billion. With a gross margin of between 54% to 56%. Based mostly on the latest market dynamics that Christophe simply described, we now see 2025 income transferring by the decrease half of the vary, so between EUR30 billion and EUR35 billion. To the logic stand, that is pushed by a big discount in our anticipated Low NA shipments in ’25 fewer than 50. We additionally now anticipate our China gross sales to be round 20% of our whole income subsequent yr, trending again in direction of our historic China share and in-line with its share of the backlog. With regard to gross margin, one of many key drivers of the anticipated enchancment was Low NA pushed by each a rise within the variety of programs in addition to a transfer to the upper margin 3800E system. Whereas the development in gross margin for the 3800E has been achieved, the big discount in EUV unit numbers for subsequent yr is considerably margin diluted compared to earlier expectations. Additionally, the discount of our China gross sales, which usually comprise a excessive share of immersion gross sales, is dilutive to our gross margin. Subsequently, primarily based on the present outlook of decrease and the much less favorable combine compared to the 2022 Investor Day, we now anticipate a gross margin of between 51% and 53% in 2025. Compared to 2024, the 2025 gross margin is anticipated to profit from the upper gross margin on the 3800E, gradual margin enchancment on Excessive NA and the development in EUV service margin, however we’ll additionally see a dilutive margin impact of recognizing extra Excessive NA instruments in income. On operational bills for 2025, we anticipate whole OpEx to be on the higher finish of the bandwidth of EUR5.6 billion to EUR6.1 billion offered throughout Investor Day in 2022. We are going to proceed with our R&D roadmap and have been capable of take in the numerous wage inflation impact since 2022 throughout the bandwidth. With that, I as soon as once more hand it over to Christophe.
Christophe Fouquet: Thanks, Roger. As we glance out longer-term, according to what we’ve got beforehand acknowledged, the secular progress drivers within the semiconductor finish markets are nonetheless very a lot intact. AI, power transition, electrification, amongst different functions, proceed to offer a really sturdy and really constructive perspective to our business and ASML enterprise. The increasing software house, together with rising lithography wants on future expertise nodes, drive calls for for each superior and mainstream nodes. In keeping with most of our business friends, we proceed to see AI as an upside and proceed to observe rigorously how this may have an effect on us on the brief and within the long-term. Regardless of a few of the push outs we’ve got mentioned, we proceed to organize for various new fabs which might be being constructed throughout the globe to handle the long run demand and desires of the business. These fabs are unfold geographically, our technique for our buyer and our schedule to take our system. We are going to due to this fact proceed to construct capability to be able to reply to the demand enhance that we anticipate all through the rest of this decade. We are going to present a extra detailed evaluation along with the situations of two,030 at our Investor Day on November 14, 2024. We stay up for seeing you there. With that, we can be completely happy to take your questions.
Skip Miller: Thanks, Roger and Christophe. The operator will instruct you momentarily on the protocol for the Q&A session. Beforehand, I might wish to ask that you simply kindly restrict your self to at least one query with one brief follow-up if vital. This can enable us to get to as many callers as doable. Now, operator, might we’ve got your last directions and the primary query, please?
Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your first query comes from the road of Joe Quatrochi from Wells Fargo.
Joe Quatrochi: Yeah. Thanks for taking the query. I needed to sort of perceive the change that you simply’re speaking about when it comes to the China demand. What are you seeing there that’s inflicting that normalization? After which if we had been to strive to consider what in your 2025 information you are implying for non-China DUV income, it looks like you are embedding a reasonably vital enhance year-over-year. What is the underpinning driver of that?
Roger Dassen: Thanks, Joe. So in the case of China, I feel it is a mixture of two issues. As we have stated earlier than, previously 2 years, we have been very a lot consuming into our backlog for China, and that backlog has come to that degree just because within the years earlier than that, we had been — we had a reasonably low auto fill price for China. So because of that backlog build-up previously due to the worldwide market circumstances, we had been capable of ship on that backlog. In order that’s why the China gross sales in 2023 and 2024 have been so excessive. So because of this, we indicated earlier than that we anticipate at a sure cut-off date for that to normalize, and that’s, I feel, what you now see within the numbers. In order that’s one driver. Secondly, I feel all of us learn newspapers, proper? All of us see that there’s hypothesis round export controls. And in addition that may be a driver for us to take a extra cautious view on the China gross sales. So with that mixed, we acknowledged that we consider the China gross sales for subsequent yr are going to go to, for example, 20% of our anticipated gross sales degree for subsequent yr. With regards to DEEP UV and the non-China a part of the DEEP UV enterprise, should you do the maths a bit bit, our expectation is that the DEEP UV enterprise subsequent yr can be decrease than it’s this yr. So we consider DEEP UV will go down a bit. However you are proper. I imply, with the China enterprise taking place as we have indicated that implies that the non-China a part of the DEEP UV enterprise will go up. And the principle purpose is that should you have a look at the extra superior nodes and should you do the maths on the expansion that you simply would possibly anticipate within the EUV enterprise for subsequent yr, you will notice that there’s fairly some progress there. Within the mixture of Low NA and Excessive NA, you will notice fairly some progress there. I feel what you are going to see is that the non-China a part of the DEEP UV enterprise is kind of following that pattern. So the connect price, if you wish to name it like that, of the DEEP UV enterprise to the EUV enterprise can be comparable. So the expansion price you will notice in EUV, you’ll kind of see again additionally within the progress charges for the non-China a part of the DEEP UV enterprise.
Joe Quatrochi: Acquired it. That is useful. After which as a follow-up, I needed to attempt to perceive a bit bit higher the 2025 gross margin steerage and the commentary. I can actually recognize the decrease mixture of Low NA, however for whole income, it might nonetheless be sort of throughout the low finish of the goal vary. I feel it might nonetheless suggest that your immersion shipments possibly being down year-over-year, it feels like nonetheless higher you are excited about from the goal mannequin, which I feel could be a constructive for when it comes to offsetting simply a few of the combine. So possibly are you able to assist us unpack that a bit little bit of simply how will we take into consideration just like the immersion relative to what you had been excited about on the Analyst Day in 2022 and that blend impact?
Roger Dassen: So Joe, immersion compared to the Investor Day in 2022, I feel there you will notice that immersion shouldn’t be dramatically totally different from the expectations that we had in 2022. I feel the immersion expectation has gone up a bit, however with the whole lot I simply advised you, together with or our view on chart, I feel immersion has come down a bit, and all-in-all, I feel our immersion view shouldn’t be dramatically totally different from what we held out on the Investor Day. The road, should you merely distinction the gross margin that we’ve got that we now articulate for 2025 and evaluate that to the gross margin that we articulated three years in the past, it truly is to a really massive extent, it’s pushed by EUV. And there are two parts in EUV that do that. One ingredient is quantity, so the quantity that we’ve got on EUV now in our mannequin with 50 is considerably beneath the numbers that you simply noticed within the Investor Day of November ‘22, however there’s additionally a combined impact in there, as a result of in 2022 we had been trying on the excessive finish of the combo, i.e. 3800 was going to dominate. The very fact we had been anticipating just a few 4000 in there because of the dynamics available in the market, you truly, fairly just a few, 3600 in 2025 as effectively. The 3800 will dominate, however it should clearly be 3600 in there as effectively. So there’s additionally an ASP and gross margin combine impact in there. It is that mixture of significantly a considerably decrease variety of EUV models, and likewise the combo impact within the EUV that’s primarily driving down the gross margin expectation compared to what we had been taking a look at in November of the ‘22. And the unit impact is by far the largest impact in that clarification.
Operator: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Didier Scemama from Financial institution of America.
Didier Scemama: Roger or Christophe, I do not know, while you have a look at the lower you might have made to EUV shipments for subsequent yr, name it 20 to 25 Low NA programs, how a lot of that do you assume spills over to ‘26? And I’ve obtained a follow-up.
Christophe Fouquet: I feel, it is a tough query as you possibly can think about, as a result of I feel the suggestions we’ve got obtained from our buyer in the previous few months was about pushing out these instruments. I feel, you might say mathematically, this transfer into 2026, I feel that is the straightforward method to have a look at that. I feel, that we’ve got to, in fact, over time reconfirm the dynamic of the market, I’ll say for the second half of ‘25 and ‘26. So if you concentrate on mathematically, we’ve got talked about push out, as a result of we actually see our buyer delaying mainly their fabs. We do not see a buyer mainly altering their thoughts on these fabs. In order that’s why we consult with push out. After all, ‘26 is a chance to see these instrument again, however like I say, there’s nonetheless a great distance till 2026 and we are going to proceed to observe the market dynamic there.
Didier Scemama: A follow-up to that might be how a lot of the push out is a mirrored image of simply the tip demand being pulled versus possibly a number of of your prospects fighting course of expertise and attracting successfully prospects to justify the development of the factories?
Christophe Fouquet: I feel it is each. So, it is a mixture of that. I feel that we talked about the slower restoration first, as a result of I feel this have an effect on each single buyer. So we’re nonetheless fairly optimistic about AI. I feel immediately with out AI, the market could be very unhappy should you ask me. However for the remaining, I feel our buyer continues to verify that in the case of energy, in the case of PC sorry, in the case of automotive, the restoration shouldn’t be what I feel A1 had wished for. And that have an effect on, I’d say, a big a part of our buyer on all segments and software. I feel we additionally certainly talked about as effectively some aggressive dynamic on logic. I feel that additionally has been expressed at plans within the press within the final 3 months. I feel that is not likely new for you. And this additionally contribute to a few of the push out. So, I feel these two issues are actually the two dynamics which have come up in the previous few months to a degree the place our buyer mainly began to essentially make, I’d say, determination that had been according to their expectation each on the entire market, but in addition possibly in some instances on the share they might find yourself having in a few of the logic market.
Didier Scemama: Is smart. And only a tiny follow-up to Roger, if I could. Once you have a look at your IBM (NYSE:) revenues in This autumn, there’s a huge step up. Are you able to give us a way as as to if that is kind of a brand new regular? And particularly excited about 25% in your steerage and coming again to the purpose that was raised earlier on the EUV revenues, that are look optimistic. So is the put in base administration going to develop rather a lot in 2025 and successfully picks up the baton a bit bit from EUV?
Roger Dassen: Sure, Didier, I would not say that it is the new regular as we additionally defined immediately within the earlier and likewise as we defined within the video, there’s clearly additionally a one off impact in there assembly a sure efficiency goal. In order that was one purpose that we anticipate that is a one off impact, should you like, in what we see for This autumn. That stated, we do consider that the put in base enterprise, each on the service facet and likewise on the improve facet, goes to develop in a fairly wholesome strategy to — in 2025. So sure, we do mission that it’ll that there can be fairly wholesome progress in that. So there can be wholesome double-digit progress as we presently see it within the put in base administration in ’25 compared to ’24.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your subsequent query comes from the road of Mehdi Hosseini from Susquehanna.
Mehdi Hosseini: Sure. Thanks for taking my query. Excuse me. First one for Christophe, I wanna higher perceive the momentum with Excessive NA, I feel on the SPIE convention a few weeks in the past, there was elevated curiosity by your key prospects for adjustments to the novel going to bigger radical measurement. And I need to higher perceive the way you see that evolving or impacting reserving for Excessive NA or would the reticle or change it to reticle would trigger a push out as you attempt to ebook 5200? And I’ve a follow-up.
Christophe Fouquet: Sure. So I feel the curiosity you stated it’s rising. And I feel what you might have seen on the convention is that the preliminary knowledge which were shared on Excessive NA by ASML, but in addition by some prospects have been acquired very constructive as a result of it reveals vital efficiency enchancment in the case of imaging and a few good superb value assist obligation on a few of the layer for DRAM and Logic. So I feel the curiosity is excessive certainly and rising. The dialogue on the 12 inches reticle is a bit a dialogue about what else might we do sooner or later to additional enhance the productiveness of Excessive NA first and probably of the instrument. So the convention you referred to is a little bit of a technical convention. So folks likes to debate mainly what might come subsequent. It was a superb engagement. This was an indication certainly additionally of the truth that extra begin to depend actually on Excessive NA into the long run. And that timeframe is in no way aligned with the 5000 or 5200. So I feel there’s completely no connection between what we do with Excessive NA and what we might do sooner or later with the 12 inches A reticle. To offer you an concept that dialogue might grow to be extra concrete in direction of the tip of the last decade or the start of the following one. So, it is actually a long-term technical dialogue we’ve got engaged with our buyer and we’re completely happy dialogue with them as a result of this will present a big productiveness enchancment for Excessive NA, however for lithography on the whole. However that is not for tomorrow, and due to this fact, this may on no account affect our present dialogue and enterprise on Excessive NA.
Mehdi Hosseini: Okay. Thanks. After which a fast follow-up for you and Roger. The place are we with inner capability targets? And given the up to date ‘25 goal, how do you see the capability targets that you simply put out in 2022, evolving? So the place are we immediately with DUV and EUV manufacturing capability? And the way are you altering the targets for extra capability that you simply put out again in 2022?
Christophe Fouquet: Sure. So should you notice immediately, we’ve got loads of focus, in fact, on 2025. And I feel what we are saying is that for subsequent yr, with a slower restoration, the variety of instruments we can be head of transport to our buyer is usually lower than what we anticipated, each in Capital Market Day 2022, but in addition just a few months in the past. Now what I’ve additionally stated within the introduction is after we have a look at the long run, after we take heed to our friends, I feel that the bullishness about the long run alternative of this market is powerful. We share that, which implies that at some stage in time, the necessity for extra capability can be there. So what we do, we proceed to execute on the lengthy lead time objects, issues like constructing some tools. Then again, as a result of the short-term market is a bit, I’ll say softer than, what we anticipated beforehand. We’re additionally slowing down, mainly any short-term funding. With regards to folks materials, etcetera, et cetera. We do not have to try this immediately. We are going to try this when we’ve got, once more, visibility for a bigger demand, however the construction of {our capability}, we need to nonetheless drive, as a result of I’ll say when a restoration take extra occasions to occur, should you consider on the long-term trajectory of the market, there’s all the time some extent the place you need to ship extra instruments, and we need to be prepared for that as effectively.
Mehdi Hosseini: Thanks. I really like what to see in you at CMD.
Operator: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Chris Caso, Wolf Analysis.
Chris Caso: My first query I might wish to dig into a bit bit extra of what extra particularly might have modified over the past 90 days, as a result of a few of the belongings you referred to you China, a few of the reminiscence spending, some the logic spending, a few of it I feel was kind of recognized 90 days in the past and a few could also be incremental. If I take, every of these three and a few of the fab push outs which have come about that, how would you characterize the change in your calendar ‘25 steerage amongst these three areas? Principally, what was new to you as in comparison with after we had the final earnings name?
Roger Dassen: I feel, should you take the totally different items, I feel in the case of China, we already began to point within the final name that over time we do see China trending in direction of a extra normalized share. I feel the depth additionally of the discussions within the press, together with discussions on extra export restrictions, I feel have pushed us to extra cautiousness in the case of China. That I feel is de facto pushed by developments previously couple of months. I feel in the case of different prospects, on earlier calls we have indicated that there was uncertainty. I feel what we see to a big extent is that a part of that uncertainty has actually materialized. What grew to become a — what was a query mark possibly various quarters in the past, has now grow to be fairly clear {that a} sure degree of demand from sure prospects was — is in all chance not going to occur. In order that was the rationale why we determined to — that we might not maintain a big window of EUR30 billion to EUR40 billion on the on the earth. That because of that, we would have liked to scale back that window to the decrease half. I feel, Chris, the background of it, and that is what actually modified. It is the materialization of sure dangers and uncertainties that we talked about earlier than which have pushed us to this decrease expectation.
Chris Caso: Simply as a follow-on along with your feedback on China in fact there have not been new export restrictions introduced. So, is an accurate to interpret your remark is that you simply’re making some judgment on what you assume a few of these restrictions, how which will have an effect on income in ‘25, previous to these being totally carried out. Is that the proper interpretation?
Roger Dassen: Sure, Chris, as we had been newspapers and we see continued hypothesis on issues which may occur, and because of that, we have determined to take a extra cautious view. And that certainly has resulted in is without doubt one of the drivers. I discussed the opposite driver as effectively. However the mixture of China being us consuming much less and fewer into the backlog of China and hypothesis round extra export management restrictions that has led us to the conclusion that it’s prudent to return to this 20% for China so far as 20% of our whole enterprise.
Operator: And your subsequent query comes from the road of Francois-Xavier Bouvignies from UBS.
Q – Francois-Xavier Bouvignies: Thanks rather a lot for letting me in. My first query is on the remark that you simply talked about on the smartphone market and PCs and the market is a bit slower. Versus 3 months in the past, the smartphone market and PCs certainly is slower. However the magnitude of the revision of EUV of 15% to twenty% remains to be fairly huge in comparison with the weak point of the market. So I used to be simply coming again and it appears to be actually 2 prospects which were effectively within the press having some points. So we’d have thought that you’d see some swap out within the orders when it comes to prospects. Did you see any signal of like upside threat into some orders a minimum of a bit offsetting or curiosity associated to those buyer points? Or is it a situation that your prospects gave you some too optimistic forecast in gentle of a giant scarcity of EUV you had lately and due to this fact the swap out will the swap will take a lot stronger than anticipated? I am sorry for the lengthy query as common.
Christophe Fouquet: No, it is okay, Francois. These are good questions. And I feel you touched once more on the 2 drivers that we’ve got seen altering our, I’d say, demand expectation for subsequent yr. So the mixture of the two once more is vital. And the primary one, I feel you see your self as you talked about, the restoration on cellular PC to be weaker than anticipated initially. This has an affect, I’ll say, on the capability planning, but in addition possibly on expectation of capability planning. So, I feel we use the phrase cautiousness just a few occasions within the name. Once you grow to be cautious, I feel this implies you’re cautious on the short-term, but in addition a bit on the midterm. So, you might have a little bit of a double hit if you’d like with the cautiousness. In order that’s the primary one. On the second, I feel we additionally talked about some upside on the AI, as a result of we nonetheless consider that the general demand for these software is there, proceed to extend. So if we have a look at the server demand, we see there a really good restoration, loads of that has to do with AI software. So we speak about upside, which additionally implies that the general dynamic of the market remains to be taking part in, and we felt the necessity to hover an replace for subsequent yr primarily based on a few of the improvement we’ve got seen. I feel on no account we’re additionally saying that there’s a full understanding of how the whole market will proceed to play out within the subsequent few months. So I feel on the second a part of your query, I’d say possibly this has not performed out totally but.
Francois Xavier Bouvignies: Okay. Thanks. And you’ll anticipate to occur then I suppose to — sooner or later to occur?
Christophe Fouquet: Properly, I feel if everybody and I feel loads of us nonetheless consider within the sturdy AI demand within the coming years, I feel that demand must be fulfilled. Subsequently, sure, I’d say largely we are going to see some improvement additionally on that entrance within the coming months.
Q – Francois-Xavier Bouvignies: Okay. Thanks, Christophe. And possibly my follow-up could be on the Excessive NA. I do not need you to spoil the Capital Markets Day, however might you possibly give us an replace on the Excessive NA now when it comes to years of adoption, possibly Logic Reminiscences, something occurring right here versus possibly 3 months in the past, 6 months in the past because you handed the wafers?
Christophe Fouquet: Properly, I feel I stated just a few months in the past that the interval we’re in, the months we’re in can be vital for the information era, producing knowledge to our buyer, our buyer which have positioned many order already on Excessive NA for R&D. And while you generate knowledge, you might have two choices. The information are unhealthy and buyer sort of prefer it much less, or the information are good they usually prefer it extra. And I feel we’re extra within the second state of affairs immediately. We proceed to generate knowledge. We talked about 10,000 wafer uncovered. These are all to exhibit mainly the efficiency of the instrument, on logic, reminiscence, and all of that’s serving to our buyer to, I’d say, to make their plan of insertion and adoption a bit extra concrete and begin to outline some very particular milestones. So, this can be a bit the place we’re. We’re very proud of the progress on Excessive NA. We’re very proud of the efficiency. We’re proud of the information, and we’ll proceed within the subsequent few months to work with our buyer to translate mainly these preliminary good outcomes into actual, I’d say, plan of their manufacturing fabs.
Operator: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Alexander Duval from Goldman Sachs.
Alexander Duval: Sure, Might. Thanks for the query. I questioned should you might speak about what degree of orders you want within the coming quarters to hit the brand new midpoint of steerage. I feel beforehand you talked about EUR6 billion of orders within the second half of this yr to hit the prior midpoint. And now we have clearly seen EUR2.5 billion within the quarter, however a decrease goal. So how ought to we be excited about this? And to what diploma are is there some wiggle room within the Q1 given lead occasions probably to nonetheless get orders which may benefit 2025? That is my first query.
Roger Dassen: Sure, Alexander. So that you’re proper. And I’d say that along with what you noticed when it comes to the general order consumption, it is also clear that clearly there was some push outs into 2026. In order that’s additionally one thing that it’s best to acknowledge, proper? That is orders that initially had been offered to us as 2025 orders and the combo that we simply mentioned have been shifted to past 2025. In order that dynamic also needs to be thought of. What we’re taking a look at immediately, I’d say, I feel we’re in the case of EUV as a result of clearly that’s related I feel on this dialog. I feel DEEP UV given the considerably decrease order lead occasions is much less related right here. However in the case of EUV, at this stage, I feel it is honest to say that we’re kind of totally booked for the low finish of the steerage that we have offered. So as to get to the midpoint of the steerage, I’d say that we’d like one other, for example, EUR2 billion to be able to hit the midpoint of the steerage earlier than the tip of the yr. So, EUR2 billion ought to then come on this quarter. With regards to flexibility, I feel there’s some flexibility. To the extent that orders would are available Q1, I feel we’d nonetheless most likely be capable to cater to these orders in 2025. I feel we construct in adequate flexibility to create that.
Alexander Duval: Possibly it is a fast follow-up. We have had various investor questions on kind of lithography depth within the context of areas ramping like superior packaging, superior deposition, for instance. Simply curious to what diploma you see that as having a structural affect on litho depth. To what diploma does that matter in 2026, and past on the belief that the semis market continues to develop over time?
Christophe Fouquet: Sure, so I feel, we are going to speak about that within the capital market day, in just a few weeks from now, as a result of these are extra longer-term issues. Something we focus on immediately I feel is on no account associated to these sort of I’d say issues. The entire dialogue is de facto across the market dynamic. I feel these query are superb for our long run alternatives and we can be spending fairly a while discussing that once more within the November assembly collectively.
Operator: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Tammy Qiu from Berenberg.
Tammy Qiu: The primary one is on China. You talked about that China goes to normalize from right here, due to totally different causes. Is it proper to grasp that the 2025 degree of Chinese language enterprise would be the new baseline of China? Are you, we should not see one other 20% or 30% lower from right here into 2026?
Roger Dassen: I feel, the 20% is what we take into account to be a traditional share of our enterprise for China. We might assume that may be a quantity that additionally on a go ahead foundation we consider could be real looking for China. After all, topic to something associated to export controls and what have you ever, which is past our management. However merely trying on the market, we consider, that the China market structurally would be capable to accommodate about 20% of our income.
Tammy Qiu: The follow-up I’ve is on the 2 massive buyer which push out their order on this quarter. In your 2025 quantity, on these two huge prospects, did you truly budgeted extra trim in there while you estimate your 2025 income or mainly you might have taken the push out from this quarter come out with the 2025 quantity, so due to this fact we may very well topic to additional push out in the event that they do it one other spherical within the subsequent, for example two quarters.
Roger Dassen: Tammy, actual fast to make clear, you stated in 2025 we budgeted. What was that?
Tammy Qiu: Principally, I stated, if you end up budgeting a 2025 income, while you give this new steerage vary, at mid-point [EUR32.5 million], did you truly finances further lower from these two huge prospects otherwise you solely mirrored the lower you might have seen on this quarter?
Roger Dassen: Tammy, we have primarily taken the most recent view that we have developed with that buyer. So you’ll recognize with these prospects. You’ll by the best way, you speak about two prospects, I feel it is honest to say it is greater than two prospects, however what we’ve mirrored in what we’ve got now’s the most recent standing of the conversations with these prospects. That is what is in right here. However additionally, you will recognize that the nearer you get to the yr, the extra agency these prospects can be on their demand. So I feel what we’re taking a look at for now’s a reasonably present and I’d say correct view of these prospects of what they want for subsequent yr as a baseline.
Operator: And the query comes from the road of C.J. Muse from Cantor Fitzgerald.
Q – C.J. Muse: I suppose first query, was attempting to dig a bit bit deeper into China. You might be guiding to twenty% of revenues, which mainly suggests down 30% year-on-year. I am curious, does that 20% replicate simply normalization or are you taking sure precautions when it comes to anticipated regulatory stress? And in that case, what sort of greenback quantity or share is mirrored by possibly extra cautious habits versus a change in finish demand tendencies?
Roger Dassen: Sure. I feel C.J. I stated it. The cautious view is for the 2 causes. The cautious view is as a result of as we stated earlier than, we consider at a sure cut-off date China will go to a extra normalized degree as a result of we’re not over delivering on their backlog. That is 1. And second, I stated given the discussions that we additionally learn within the press, we have grow to be a bit extra cautious. To dissect that’s unimaginable to do. So it is that mixture that has given rise to our expectation of China being 20%, which isn’t too far-off certainly out of your 30% decline.
Q – C.J. Muse: However I suppose I am attempting to, decipher why it is unimaginable. I imply, clearly, you might have a imaginative and prescient for finish demand and then you definitely’re taking a haircut to replicate possibly extra conservatism. Is there a strategy to perceive that haircut?
Roger Dassen: It is associated, C.J. So the two go hand-in-hand. So you can’t dissect that and I can’t dissect that.
Q – C.J. Muse: Okay. Possibly a much bigger query. In a world the place 2 main logic gamers are floundering, you actually sort of have 3 huge EUV prospects in TSMC, Hynix, and Micron (NASDAQ:). And simply curious, as you concentrate on sort of monopoly versus monopsonist, are you excited about altering your plan to pre-build? I’d assume that pricing energy and pre-building do not go hand-in-hand. So we might love to listen to your sort of philosophy round that.
Christophe Fouquet: Properly, I feel the one precedence for us is to serve our prospects, which implies that no matter whole demand our buyer will give us, we would like to have the ability to honor that. And that is particularly vital to try this if you end up the one provider of EUV instruments. I feel that is the accountability we’ve got. I feel the dialogue on pre-build began after we noticed a state of affairs the place we might not be capable to meet the demand with the output of 1 yr. After which to be according to my earlier level, prebuild within the decrease yr is a method to try this. So, this implies additionally that this variety of prebuild instrument will in fact evolve with the market state of affairs. And if we’re in a state of affairs the place the market is low, we do not see the necessity to try this, besides particular request of our buyer. However what we’ve got seen additionally previously is that issues tends to vary, and I feel the combo between our buyer can be evolving forwards and backwards over time. So I feel that is additionally one thing we be mindful.
Operator: Your subsequent query comes from the road of Sandeep Deshpande from JP Morgan.
Sandeep Deshpande: Yeah. Hello. Thanks for letting me on. I need to return to one of many early questions once more. I imply, when it comes to your steerage for subsequent yr, I imply, after we have a look at the numbers, it seems like your progress in DUV outdoors China goes to be extremely sturdy. I imply and likewise once I’ve checked out ASML for therefore a few years, I imply, the view is that ASML, while you give one yr steerage, you are typically inside that ballpark. You do not are typically improper in that — in these phrases. So I imply, how assured do you are feeling that the DUV outdoors China goes to see vital progress subsequent yr provided that DUV does are likely to have shorter lead occasions than EUV? And I’ve one follow-up after that.
Roger Dassen: Sure. In order I effectively, you caught it in unbelievable progress. As I discussed earlier than, I feel you are on the lookout for the non-Chinese language a part of the DEEP UV enterprise. We’re taking a look at about comparable progress as we see it for EUV. So go away it to your individual creativeness the way you need to qualify that. However it’s the two issues go hand-in-hand. We see fairly a little bit of DEEP UV demand additionally significantly I’d say on the main nodes. So due to this fact, I feel assumptions on a powerful correlation between capability construct on EV and capability construct on the non-Chinese language a part of the DUV, I feel that may be a real looking assumption. So due to this fact, with that very sturdy correlation as we see it, we consider that the underpinning for that demand enhance, one thing we consider is powerful.
Sandeep Deshpande: And Roger, I imply, simply on the identical query, I imply, when it comes to your forecasting for 2025, that is according to the way you forecast in prior years, right? So there’s nothing totally different? Or do you assume that this yr is 2025 trying one thing very dramatically totally different and so you will have to vary later or one thing like that?
Roger Dassen: No, I feel it is primarily the identical. You might argue, Sandeep, that we’re a bit early. And the rationale that we’re a bit early is as a result of we consider given the dynamics that Christophe talked about originally, we consider that the second or the excessive finish of the bandwidth shouldn’t be realistically in attain primarily based on what we all know immediately. In order that’s the rationale why we consider it was prudent to say we must be trying on the decrease finish. After all, within the subsequent couple of months, we will as soon as once more speak to prospects and take heed to their plans, etcetera, etcetera. However I feel the best way we’re taking a look at subsequent yr and the work that we have accomplished on that isn’t dramatically totally different from what we have accomplished in earlier years.
Sandeep Deshpande: Okay. Thanks. And one for my second query is on Excessive NA. Christophe, I imply, there have been public feedback by one in all your prospects on Excessive NA. Clearly, the information which has been out there on the final convention at Excessive NA appears to be superb. So my query is, are your prime three prospects all going to enroll in Excessive NA rapidly? Or is that this a few of them go to delay like one in all them did with EUV and we all know the results of that, in fact?
Christophe Fouquet: I feel we have been constant in the previous few quarters mentioning that each one our EUV buyer had order an Excessive NA instruments. All our EUV have been engaged with us within the Excessive NA lab. So everybody is de facto utilizing this time to gather the information. So the information you will have an opportunity to see, the one you referred to, I feel are additionally checked out seen by all prospects. I feel the engagement immediately on Excessive NA is de facto coming from all of our EUV buyer, and the timing they take into account for insertion for adoption remains to be just about according to what we’re mentioned in previously. I feel, the nice knowledge we’ve got been capable of generate on the very first instruments are simply if something, supporting that method.
Skip Miller: All proper, we’ve got time for one final query. In case you are unable to get by on this name and nonetheless have questions, please be happy to contact the ASML Investor Relations Division along with your query. Now, operator, might we’ve got the final caller please?
Operator: We are going to now take our last query for immediately, and your last query comes from the road of Adithya Metuku from HSBC.
Adithya Metuku: Firstly, only a clarification, if I heard you appropriately, you stated the aggressive dynamics between the logic gamers, you identified earlier you are saying that the issues that these, a few of these prospects have led to draw back dangers crystallizing for 2025, however the upside dangers from the share shifts between these logic prospects have not but crystallized and are usually not but in your assumptions for 2025. Is that proper, did I hear that appropriately?
Christophe Fouquet: I feel, I’d say brief reply is sure. That is once more why we consult with some upside on some a part of the market.
Adithya Metuku: Basically, you are saying, you are priced in warning for China although we’ve got no readability on export controls and the way they’re going to develop, after which there may very well be upside threat from share shifts between logic prospects into 2025. After which possibly simply as a follow-up. On Low NA EUV ASPs for Roger. Once I take the numbers you are giving, lower than 50 Low NA instruments and 5 Excessive NA instruments and the expansion — and DUV declining, so primarily, your EUV has to develop fairly considerably. However with the ASPs you have given for the 3800 machine and the combo shifts you are still speaking about for 2025 between 3600D and 3800E, it feels like your Low NA ASP must be one thing like EUR240 million, and I am unsure how I get to that quantity. I do not know should you can assist me reconcile these figures, if doable. Apologies if the query is not clear.
Roger Dassen: Properly, the query is evident, however your mannequin is not clear. In order that’s why it is tough to reconcile it on this name, Adithya. However by and huge, I feel you talked about EUR240 million, that might positively be too excessive and that’s additionally not what we’ve got in our numbers. So if we have a look at the ASP that I acknowledge or that we acknowledge in our mannequin to get you to the midpoint of the steerage, there’s an ASP that’s above EUR200 million, however that is positively not at a EUR240 million degree. So I feel you would possibly need to revisit that. I do not know precisely what you might have on Excessive NA. So it is a matter of actually taking an intensive have a look at your mannequin. On Excessive NA, it’s best to have a minimum of for the 5200, it’s best to have an ASP of over EUR350 million. So I do not know when you have that in there. However the ASP to work on for Low NA could be north of EUR200 million within the combine, however could be — would positively be decrease than the EUR240 million that you simply simply famous.
Skip Miller: All proper. Now on behalf of ASML, I might wish to thanks all for becoming a member of us immediately. Operator, should you might formally conclude the decision, recognize it. Thanks.
Operator: Thanks. This concludes the ASML 2024 third quarter monetary outcomes convention name. Thanks for taking part. It’s possible you’ll now disconnect.
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